the kim kardashian aspect. and nobody knew -- chris: and these people, do you think they want to get caught at some weird level? >> exactly. they think they're completely above. nobody can come after them. chris: you are mr. chutzpah. so what do you think? >> i like the first debate. what was the president thinking? he was home watching this guy. in an empty suit pretending he was him. what was he thinking? who is this guy up there? i want to get reelected. who is up there that doesn't want to get reelected? that first debate was extraordinary and if mitt romney who made some capital out of it but if he had any ability to win this election, he could have won it right there. chris: romney was -- wasn't just the president was weak. romney was awesome. when we come back, what was the biggest turning point at 2012? chris: welcome back. and more of our annual award show. the next category, the biggest political turning point this year. that's where we were just talking about a moment aeg. the opening created for mit